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"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - Christina - 20-04-2006

A Chinese proverb states:

Tell me, I’ll forget
Show me, I’ll remember
Involve me, I’ll understand

Do you find this to be true in your experiences teaching?

Many thanks for your insights,
Christina


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 22-04-2006

April 21, 2006

Good Evening,

Great proverb with substrates to back it up....
l. Tell me, I'll forget..... hearing and listening are not one of the stronger senses in brain and nervous systems.

2. Show me, I'll remember...seeing is one of the strongest senses in the central nervous system. [brain].

3. Involve me, I'll understand...this would include all of the senses possible....skin, hearing, seeing, feeling, touching, smelling, taste and etc....also involvement means in most cases experiential learning. Which indeed means, Involve me, I'll understand.

These are the means to learning...this is what we as teachers should always have in mind.

I would probably add one additional theme to Involve me, I'll understand....and that would be....and now I really know because I can help others to learn...
Rob


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 24-04-2006

APRIL 24, 2006

Good morningSmile

This particular thread posted by OECD Expert [Christina,'the great'] is very profound. It reflects learning at it's best. We are dealing with the senses of the human CNS and PNS along with experiential learning and sensory transduction. You could spend the time left in your life on this particular thread and learn a plethora of functions and biological substrates. This is not all. Because it just keeps on going.....

You can take every sensory communication both afferent and efferent and use this Chinese proverb to guide you through the most complicated of learning processes.

I searched for this old Chinese proverb and found a great deal of information; some simple and some esoteric...If you follow this hyperlink, you will find the url about a simple explanation of the proverb in teaching math.
Url: http://www.discovery.utexas.edu/rlm/reference/halmos.html

It is a very strange feeling to be inside the mind of this particular OECD Expert and know what she is striving to achieve with us. She is very bright.

I would only hope that since we have over 200 registered members in this forum that more people would participate. Sampling of participation is LOW & makes the work of the facilitators difficult. Please participate in the disscusions or maybe you will tell us why you are not participating.
Best,
RobSmile


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 25-04-2006

April 25, 2006

Good MorningSmile,

Enjoy the use of the hyperlink that will take you to a meaningful url on this proverb. URL: http://...... edit: link broken

Regards,
RobSmile


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 25-04-2006

April 25, 2006

Good MorningSmile
Interesting problem for students today.....take a "look see".
URL: http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showstoryts.cfm?Articleid=6266
Best,
RobSmile


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 27-04-2006

August 27, 2006

Good MorningSmile,

In teaching students of all ages, I use this particular Chinese proverb because it does what we want it to do. It involves the senses and demonstrates the least educational [sense] to the most educational senses as a means to learn. "Tell me" or hearing versus "Show me" or vision allows us to compare the efficacy of the sense[s] of hearing with sense[s] of vision. Or to put it more to the point, the stronger of the two senses is vision. However if you use synergy and include most all of your senses, involvement most likely is experiential and very powerful.

An example is a nine year old child learning to play golf. Apply the proverb and the 'product is involve me'....'every step of the way'. Non declarative memory and teaching yields the so called muscle memory that allows you to practice your golf swing without having to be so mechanical but yet fluid as you improve.

It is a wonderful lesson to watch a child or adult get very frustrated if the day of golf is going poorly. Actually the golf club takes most of the brunt...and we tend to take our frustrations out on our favorite inanimate objects. The second day of practice this nine year old boy using the same "loser" clubs as the day before. was happy that his golf clubs were so much better this time around. Hummmmmmm....that was a good lesson in control vs noncontrol and animate vs inanimate objects....If you don't become too serious it can be a lot of fun. Sure does show the emotional state of animate humans on a give day. The golf club stay pretty must neutral...
Best,
RobSmile


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 06-05-2006

May 6, 2006
Good Morning....Smile
This is a very good read when you compare it with the proverb above. This is outstanding for children and young adults....We also get our prior knowledge reviewed. Retrieved from the internet today. URL: http://kidshealth.org/kid/
Best,
RobSmile Sure would like to hear your thoughts....thanks


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 11-05-2006

May 11, 2006

Good MorningSmile

Experiential learning has always been one of my favorites...and guess what proverb it spells out? You are right!!!!!!!!!
Retrieved from the internet today....URL: http://www.collegesofdistinction.com/SUBPAGETEMPLATES/contributorpage.asp?articleid=57&section=engaged URL: http://37days.typepad.com/thecircleproject/FAQrev.pdf

Be well,
RobSmile


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 11-05-2006

May 11, 2006

Good MorningSmile
We are really involved in experiential learning and our proverb.....did I say involved...hummmmmmmmmmmm....retrieved today from internet: URL: http://asci.uvm.edu/cream/?Page=brochure.html
Best,
RobSmile


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - papertalker - 15-05-2006

The eyes do not see what the heart does not feel.


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 24-05-2006

May circa 24, 2006

Good MorningSmile

It is my firm belief that the many many neuroscientists are not ready to share their learner's knowledge with educational practitioners.....so we must move ahead with the inclusion of those neuorscientists who respect the purpose of delivering a well define student packet with full inclusion of those NS who really want to see this project succeed.

I believe that the challenge comes from the neuroscientists [not all] who feel their work ends somewhere inside the brain.
Best,
RobSmile If you learn most on your own as do I....remember this proverb and let it assist you in the direction of profoundly deep learning and memory.
"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand"


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 26-05-2006

May 25, 2006

This particular chinese proverb seems to cover all ages and all stages of learning development even works in Prof. Kurt Fischer Dynamic web.

I was particularly interesting in this proverb being applicable with the geriatric set.....and here is where it also shines. Older people need and appreciate this proverb....but most essential is the delicate manner in which it is applied.
Best,
RobSmile


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - tearszsz - 06-06-2006

the proverb is so trueee!!I agree completely with it! Wink


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - Christina - 13-06-2006

Thanks Rob and tearszsz. How, then, do we accomplish this in classrooms?

Teachers, how do you move from "showing" to "involving" in your classroom?

~Christina


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - imported_ldtchr - 15-06-2006

As a former administrator/teacher trainer and teaching students in grades 2-12 I cannot believe how much this is true for long-term retention! If you really only want people to know things to pass a test, showing will work for many. Teaching to others makes you understand - I wish that more of our teacher educators were able to incorporate this. It's one thing to tell someone about effective teaching methods, or show them, but to truly get them to understand them . . . sharing solid teaching methods during a lecture or discussion, or having students explain them is helpful, but do they truly understand them then? How can we promote experiential learning, etc.. when those learning about it are still sitting through lectures on this exciting stuff and reading the books and chapters explaining them before their lectures or discussions..... is it possible for them to "understand" them before they are helping students understand how to learn?


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - Christina - 15-06-2006

Thanks for making this important point ldtchr. Lecturing to preservice teachers about the value of experiential learning is hypocritical and yet very common.

What are the alternatives? Teachers: What are you doing to provide your students with opportunities for experiential learning? What could be done?

~Christina


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 09-02-2008

"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember, Involve me, I'll understand" is a Chinese proverb that if studied carefully brings in the sum of all parts and ends in experiential learning and non declarative memory/learning.

We have thousands of post on learning, memory and differential learning...if we review what we already have on this forum, we can turn the light bulb on very bright....
Be well,
Rob aka segarama:yes:


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - geodob - 10-02-2008

Hi Rob,
Whilst their is much truth behind: "Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember, Involve me, I'll understand".
For a Visual-Spatial Thinker/Learner, with a fairly strong Kinesthetic Thinking/Learning ability.
This order is most suitable.
But for a strong Auditory Thinker/Learner, 'Telling'/auditory is the best commencement point.
For a Kinesthetic Thinker/Learner, 'involvement' needs to be the starting point.
Followed by 'show', then 'tell'.

Much of what is currently define as Learning Disability, is in fact a Learning Difference.
Where each different style of thinking/ learning, brings a different way of understanding.

Geoff,


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 10-02-2008

Hi Geoff,

I am also an auditory learner, however even with that my understanding of the proverb is meant to reinforce all thus being the sum of all. My autistic granddaugther is a good example of an auditory learner,yet with 8 years of intervention with her...we learned not to just rely on one such as "tell me", but to include all of the others also. Certainly we can concentrate on one more than the others but the last part of the proverb...."Involve me, I'll understand"...to me, means the sum total of all of the words that precede it.

How have you been... and what are you doing these days...I am retired, I think...let me send you my website....http://www.segarama.com

Be well my friend,
Rob


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - segarama - 10-02-2008

This particular proverb seems to touch most all mode of learning and sums it up with experiential learning. Retrieved from the internet on 2-10-08 URL:http://www.idea.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do?pageId=5957495, URL: http://www.yourclasspage.com/9733892120/ahenry.html; URL Teachers open the door. You enter by yourself.
Be well,
Rob aka segarama:yes:


"Tell me, I'll forget. Show me, I'll remember. Involve me, I'll understand" - John Nicholson - 03-07-2009

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Natural learning.
A philosophy of learning, takes into account the proven and unproven reality of equality for all, within the magnificence of our universal mental abilities. International research findings illustrate the common benefits associated with early learning, a universal recognition of advanced learning ability proven in all nationalities were counting and reading abilities, have been well-established from the earliest possible opportunity. Clearly the combination of early arithmetic benefiting early reading ability is recognised, in both the developed and the underdeveloped world, utilising simple systematic natural learning techniques, it is proving to be easily absorbed by both parents and nursery teachers.

These techniques are being developed universally, no problems in adoption or adaption are envisaged, were trialling programs give clearer evidence of instantaneous memory ability within children of all ages and nationalities. Starting techniques in early arithmetic are based on pattern recognition, clearly establishing the memory of every finger value, utilising both hands to understand that each hand has five fingers and to add two hands just as quickly as the child is mentally able, which itself is dependent on individual parents realisation regarding the benefits of continuous interaction with their own children.

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Simply by establishing recognition of the third and eighth finger alongside side the initial five and six, allows the child to build a permanent memory of the meaning of every number quite easily by chanting and tapping the fingers. By demonstrating that the fingertips touching creates two blocks of five, means that every child in the world whatever the circumstances that it may be born into, can quickly and permanently establish the meaning of ten.

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The utilisation of a hand map, allows both parents and child to provide permanent memory for every number as a pattern of meaning between five and ten for life. It is the human right for every child to be taught in the best way, and this is the best way to establish the meaning of every number.

When it is quite clear that the child has established permanent memory regarding the meaning of every number one to ten, repetition of the hand map routines, are transferred into a training exercise, to which I have given a clear name " A SUM A SECOND". Once again we use the two hands, instead of using the back of the hands on a flat surface, he simply hold the hands facing upwards facing our child doing the same thing.

Starting with the two fives the child copies what it sees with its own hands, showing gently all the numbers we can create and then all the different manners we can create them in. Obviously the younger the child is the slower we start the exercise. Then true to that name, a sum a second, we build up the child's ability to recognise the number shown on either hand, to copy that number with its own hands and to shout out the number in a very loud chorus.

Children just adore shouting; they are building a permanent memory of rapid pattern recognition on either hand, and then, quite effortlessly adding them together. At the rate of a sum a second.

Once the child is proficient, in addition, at a very high speed, the parent can move from the second exercise, to the regular use of a written in words' abacus. In the abacus we have the world's oldest teaching machines. Various models of the abacus have been around for thousands of years, with four or five years regular training Japanese children can do the most outstanding subtractions additions divisions and multiplications, without requiring either the abacus or a pen and paper. If you use an (in words abacus) for one year, not only will you establish permanent memory of mathematical manipulations, but we will also remember the words we use from the starting positions and the written answers that we naturally learn to read.

Utilising the abacus for teaching early mathematics, developing precise chanting and visual abilities, for the times tables, using our natural ability to copy sounds and manipulations representing everything we can do mathematically are being naturally stored as the visible and vocal memories that easily become part and parcel of our mental thinking. The automatic instantaneous memories we rely on when we think in relation to quantity time distance measurement of all matters. Natural learning prepares us naturally by doing things, which are then quite naturally built into our memories; as.
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